Corde
May 28 2006, 06:51 PM
has anyone read the clone wars novel "shatterpoint"?
its a really good book. probably my favorite so far of the clone wars novels.
if you have raed it, what did you like about it?
Darth Jenny
Sep 23 2006, 01:33 AM
I like it, ...but it was a little too slow (at least in the first 2/3 of the book) and that's why it took me some time to read it. There's something that bugs me about it, and it's the fact that a Jedi Master (Windu), who is part of an Order that is centered in the greater good and peace, is shown as a bad ass, REALLY bad ass. That whole part "when the big dog is around, the little dogs run away" (or something like that) was not something a Jedi would say, since they are humble (especially a Jedi Master). It gave me the impression that Stover wrote it with Samuel L. Jackson too much in his mind, instead of Mace Windu. I mean, I had the feeling I was seeing SLJ and not Mace Windu. Get what I mean? Like it was any of his bad-ass characters speaking (Pulp fiction comes to mind).
swgfboy
Sep 23 2006, 01:37 AM
I liked it because i thought it had a great plot though i havn't read it since somewhere around either the 7th or 8th grade. It's an awesome book though i thought. It had enough action in it for me and the plot really made me think about what was going on bcuz it got a lil confusing in parts.
Luminara_Senna
Sep 23 2006, 05:13 AM
I apparently didn't read the same book.
The Shatterpoint I read was boring, battle sequences were overwritten, and there was minimal plot/character development. Mace Windu's character was so sterotyped to how Samuel portrayed him...the story offered no new insights into the character.
I have enjoyed MANY of the Star Wars books. So far, I have had to put down (out of bordom with the story) only two...Shatterpoint and Jedi Trial.
I just finished Dark Rendevzous and Betayral..both well worth the read. I am currently reading Truce at Bakura (so far, a good story). My intention is to come back and re-read Shatterpoint (and Jedi Trail) with the hope of finishing both books.
I absoutley love the Star Wars universe, and look forward to many new stories.
Cheers.
swgfboy
Sep 23 2006, 05:24 AM
wow, that's kinda harsh, but oh well. Truce At Bakura is a great book by the way. it seems as though im the only one that liked shatterpoint.
Darth Jenny
Sep 23 2006, 06:49 PM
Why "harsh"? Everybody has their own perception of the books. Some people didn't like the Jedi part in Dark Lord - I loved it. And some of us think shatterpoint is really slow and too focussed in SLJ's regular charaters instead of Mace.

Luminara expressed what I wanted to say
swgfboy
Sep 23 2006, 07:08 PM
i wasn trying to bash their views or anything. sorry
Zee Zee
Sep 23 2006, 11:31 PM
Personally I found Shatterpoint a "mixed bag" - it was hard going in places, Stover's establishing pieces just seemed to take forever. However, I did enjoy his sense of contradictions that life in the jungle is complex and its intertwining reliences on each other with the rather primitive way of living for the jungle people. Stover did managed to get across his message that there really is no such thing as a Galactic War - it is just a series of many, many local wars and conflicts - each one's fate only important to the inhabitants (not to the overall War) but when combined with other fate's, one can see the "bigger picture".
As more Mace "SLJ" Windu, I too found Stover's approach to be on the SLJ side rather than Mace's - some of the attitude I believe was definitily SLJ's, whilst the philosophy was more Mace's. Mind you, didn't SLJ have his lightsabre engraved with some Pulp Fiction motto?
It raised some important questions (which IMO he answered) on the nature of the light and dark sides of the Force, the attitudes and differences of good and evil (if they exist).
On the whole, it was not a book I particularly enjoyed - which is a shame as it is the only book to feature Mace in the main role - so I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.
Dark Helmet
Sep 25 2006, 08:14 AM
I enjoyed the book...at least I think I did. Its been a year since I read the book. and I usually remember the ones I don't like.
Corde
Oct 8 2006, 01:38 AM
i can see what you're talking about when you say that windu was too much like sam jackson. but i think stover's point was that the jungle changes you. the same thing happened to Depa. i mean she was his padawan.
but i think it was a great book. the thing i liked about it most was the way he described the jungle, almost as if it were the force. how it changes you and how it's the real enemy.
great book
Luminara_Senna
Oct 11 2006, 01:35 AM
I agree with many of the comments posted to this thread. The book did not live up to my expectations of new insights into the character of Mace Windu. While I did not finish the book ( I will come back to re-read it soon) I really did appreciate how Stover showed that, often with conflict, there is no clearly defined group that "is in the right". Preceptions of how one or one's peoples are treated (key on the work "preceptions) is often more fundemental to group conflicts than is any definitive right or wrong.
swgfboy
Oct 11 2006, 01:33 PM
woo hoo, 2 ppl agreed with me. lol
Corde
Oct 28 2006, 12:36 AM
guys are too easy to please
swgfboy
Oct 28 2006, 01:13 AM
That's not necessarily true. lol
Corde
Oct 28 2006, 06:40 PM
all right.. keep believeing that
Dark Helmet
Oct 29 2006, 01:50 AM
QUOTE (swgfboy @ Oct 27 2006, 07:13 PM)
That's not necessarily true. lol

Oh yes it is.
We are very simple beings.
Corde
Nov 6 2006, 02:55 AM
exactly
swgfboy
Nov 8 2006, 03:21 AM
hey.........i resent that, i can be very hard to plz if i want to be
Corde
Nov 15 2006, 03:18 AM
you can deny it all you want, but deep down you know that any girl who has the right moves can make you crawl on your knees and cry like a baby

that is our advantage over you
Darth Jenny
Nov 15 2006, 03:37 AM
QUOTE (Corde @ Nov 14 2006, 11:18 PM)
you can deny it all you want, but deep down you know that any girl who has the right moves can make you crawl on your knees and cry like a baby

that is our advantage over you

ohhh that is
so true
Corde
Dec 10 2006, 08:05 AM
he just doesn't want to deny it
Callista Min
Sep 2 2008, 04:07 PM
Wow...I guess I'm the only one who really liked this book. I thought it was really good. While I like Samuel L. Jackson, I never felt that Mace Windu was a very developed character in the films. I thought this book made Mace an entirely 3D character, and I thought the situation he was put in reflected some real world issues. <shrug>
Rik-HavEk
Sep 2 2008, 04:40 PM
QUOTE (Callista Min @ Sep 2 2008, 11:07 AM)
Wow...I guess I'm the only one who really liked this book. I thought it was really good. While I like Samuel L. Jackson, I never felt that Mace Windu was a very developed character in the films. I thought this book made Mace an entirely 3D character, and I thought the situation he was put in reflected some real world issues. <shrug>
No your not neither I loved the book. I really liked the part where Mace beat them guards butt nekkid. Cause lets face it nobody wants to fight a naked person lol. He admitted that he just loved to fight anyway. I thought the book really gave a good inside look at Mace Windus charecter
Callista Min
Sep 8 2008, 04:23 PM
QUOTE (Rik-HavEk @ Sep 2 2008, 04:40 PM)
I really liked the part where Mace beat them guards butt nekkid. Cause lets face it nobody wants to fight a naked person lol. He admitted that he just loved to fight anyway. I thought the book really gave a good inside look at Mace Windus charecter
Yeah--he was *fierce*! It was interesting to know that he actually liked to fight, that he was sort of treading the edge of the dark side all the time...!
Rik-HavEk
Sep 11 2008, 01:09 AM
QUOTE (Callista Min @ Sep 8 2008, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (Rik-HavEk @ Sep 2 2008, 04:40 PM)
I really liked the part where Mace beat them guards butt nekkid. Cause lets face it nobody wants to fight a naked person lol. He admitted that he just loved to fight anyway. I thought the book really gave a good inside look at Mace Windus charecter
Yeah--he was *fierce*! It was interesting to know that he actually liked to fight, that he was sort of treading the edge of the dark side all the time...!
Hell he invented a style that was lightsaber stle 7 or more commonly called Vappad. Which brought the user closer to the darkside than any of the other 6 fighting styles. He only shared it with 1 other jedi master Sora Bulq who later went to the dark side shortly following episode 2
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